作为10级车的酋长

Source:http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/16/the-chieftain-as-tier-10/
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Hello everyone,
大家嚎, 

so, I guess you’ve already heard the news, FV215b is considered to be replaced by the Chieftain, at least that’s how Storm wrote it yesterday. However, this info (or speculations about it) is much older. The first time I heard about the plan to put the Chieftain in some form on tier 10 was as early as December 2012. I was on a meeting of the Czech community and Tuccy (back then still just a community organizer or whatever the title was) was talking about the changes to the trees. I took notes in my cellphone of what he was saying (I still have them, he for example mentioned the second French line, little did we know…) and one of the things he said is that the Chieftain would become the British tier 10 heavy tank. The next day, I wrote it on the forums (back then, there was no FTR) and the post got immediately deleted (this was one of the impulses that convinced me I need a platform of my own, so Wargaming can’t come and purge inconvenient info by the way). Next mention about it was from February 2013 and the result was “yea, we thought about that, not in immediate future” – and that was it.
我想各位也都看过新闻了,FV215b要被酋长换下去了,至少Storm昨天是这么说的。然而这个信息(或者是关于它的推测)已经有点年头了。我第一次听说要把酋长做成10级车还是在2012年的12月的时候。那个时候我在开捷克的社群会议,Tuccy(他那个时候只是个社群组织者啊什么的)就在讨论要对科技树做出改动了。我在手机里头记下了他所说的东西(我现在依然还留着,他那个时候还说了第二条法国线,只有很少一部分人知道),他还说了一件事就是酋长会作为英国的10级重坦出现。第二天,我就在论坛上发了这些玩意(那个时候还没有FTR博客)然后帖子被秒删了(这也是我当初建立博客的冲动之以,这样我就有一个自己的平台可以避免WG“净化”他们不想被人看到的消息)。下一次说到它就是在2013年的2月了,结果是“是啦,我们考虑过,但是近期不会有”—然后就没了。 

I wrote the above for you to understand that the idea is actually very old and that the Chieftain at some point “fell into the same vaporware hole” as the Sturmtiger, which sort of hints at the fact that implementing the Chieftain is problematic. But, Storm mentioned that the change might come around the end of this year, so hopefully that’s settled.
上面这堆东西是为了告诉你这个想法其实已经有很长时间了,而酋长在某个时间点也像突击虎一样“被丢进了一个大坑”,也就从侧面指出导入酋长其实是有一些问题的。但是Storm提到了说这个改动在年底也许就会有了,所以先期待一下吧。 

Which Chieftain?
哪个酋长? 

So, now that this is decided, the real question is – which Chieftain will we see in the game? Originally I thought that there might be like three or four variants to pick from, including the mockups. I was wrong – there are like fifteen (maybe more) various prototypes and proposals, including the pre-production version. The most likely candidate I would say is the “P6″ prototype, that was mentioned in the past in connection with World of Tanks, simply because it stands physically in Bovington and Wargaming has access to it. This prototype was saved by Bovington from scrapping in 2011 and you can read about it here.
鉴于要有酋长这事定下来了,真正的问题就是—到底哪个酋长会被加入游戏?我一开始觉得能有三四个可以选(还包括模型)。我错了。一共有大约15个(也许还有更多)酋长的各种原型车以及建议型,包括那些预生产版的。我认为最有可能的候选车应该是“P6”原型车,过去提到过,与WOT有联系。原因就是它的确就存在在伯明顿博物馆,而WG是可以接触到它的。这辆原型车是伯明顿博物馆在2011年把它从拆除边缘抢回来的,你可以在这里读到更多的信息。

This however is by no means the only option. The pre-production Mk.1 was also mentioned as a potential candidate, along with Mk.2 (the first one to see service en masse if I remember correctly)
然而这并不意味着就没有其它选择了。预生产版的MK.1也作为潜在的候选车辆被提到过,同时包括MK.2(我没记错的话是第一辆大批量服役的)

For example, one of the distinctive Chieftains is the “pike nose” Chieftain mock-up (there are proposed characteristics available for it, found in the Swedish documents).
举个栗子,有一辆很有特色的酋长是“尖鼻子”酋长模型车(曾经找到过它的预定的各种数据参数,在一个瑞典的文献中找到过)

This pike nose variant for example weighed 45,3 tons, was proposed with a 700hp Leyland L60 engine with the maximum speed of 41 km/h. The gun is a “120mm L/55 gyrostabilized cannon”, but we’ll get to that. Anyway, there are options. These data come from the Swedish reports, found on the Chieftain development in Swedish archives.
这辆尖鼻子的变种版重45.3吨,本来要装的是700马力的Leyland L60引擎,极速是41km/h。主炮是一根“120mm L/55 陀螺稳定炮”,这个后面再说啦。总之呢,是有众多选择的。这些数据是从瑞典的关于酋长的研发的文献中找到的。

Characteristics
数据 

Now, to understand what the problem with the Chieftain in World of Tanks is, you have to realize that the vehicle is still fairly new. Relatively of course. The production vehicles are from mid 60′s, the various early concepts and such are from 1960 or so onwards. The vehicle also fired shots in anger and some technologies from it are still secret, so it’s not like you can just get all the data on it on the internet.
现在要理解把酋长放进WOT中会出现一些问题。你要知道这辆车其实是挺新的,当然是相对来说。这辆车是在60年代中期生产的,最早的几个概念车都是1960年开始或者往后的。这辆车也是开过火的,而这辆车上的部分技术至今还是机密,所以这并不是什么能在网上就找到的玩意。 

A good example of this is the tank armor. If you open western books on the Chieftain (for example “Chieftain” by Rob Griffin), the layout is roughly described, but the exact thicknesses of armor of schematics? Nope. I asked around, even at Wargaming and the only “published” armor schematic seems to be from a Russian source (for the Mk.1 variant):
有个很好的栗子就是坦克的装甲。如果你打开西方对于酋长所做的书本的话(栗如Rob Griffin所作的“酋长”一书),里面只是大概的描述了下装甲的分布,具体装甲分布图?没有。我四处打听了下,WG以及唯一的“公开”的装甲分布图都是来自一个毛子的消息源(这是MK.1版本的):

Alternatively, it’s possible to tap yet again into Swedish archives – this one is for the 1961 sloped nose prototype (courtesy of sp15 from US forums), such a schematic exists for the pike nose prototype as well.
当然,这里还是可以回头看一下瑞典的文献—这一个是1961年那个倾斜鼻子版原型车的文献(由美服论坛sp15友情提供),那个尖鼻子版也有这么一张图

Third source of accurate info is the real life measurement of course. I can tell you straight away that that already happened. Xlucine did in fact measure the P6 prototype armor thickness for Wargaming with an ultrasound device. I am not at liberty to tell you what exactly were the results without his permission, but I think I can disclose two things:
当然第三种最可靠的信息来源还是直接去量了。我这里就直说了,Xlucine的确为了WG跑去拿个超声波器械量过P6原型车的装甲厚度。我不能在没够他的允许的情况下告诉大家具体结果是什么,但是我可以说两件事:

– the armor of the vehicle was worse than expected and by no means it’s as OP as everyone thinks
这辆车的装甲比预想中的要差,也就不会像大家所期待的一样非常OP

– some parts are practically impossible to measure even for a person skilled with the ultrasound (Xlucine is skilled, but the entire process is actually quite complicated, it’s not like you just press a button), at least without some… more invasive measures (obviously out of question).
部分零件就算是使用超声波的专业人员也没法测量(Xlucine很专业,但是整个过程其实挺复杂的,不光是按个键就行了),至少现在在不进行更加……具有侵略性的测量的情况下是量不出的(当然肯定没戏) 

The same thing applies for the Action X turret by the way – Xlucine did measure it as well, some parts were not measurable, some parts were… disappointing, overall it’s not exactly an option for tier 10 medium, I am fairly certain it won’t happen. Anyway, back to Chieftain. The engines are the variants of the Leyland L60 multifuel engine, tuned to various horsepower, if I recall correctly, the 585 horsepower variant was the earliest with the 750 horsepower variant the latest, there was also a a 650 and 700hp variant. It’s hard to say which one will be picked for the ingame vehicle, depends on the type of course, I’d go with the 650hp variant but that really depends on Wargaming (the Mk.4A 650hp engine was used in Mk.1, 2 and 3 Chieftains). The maximum speed of the early Chieftains according to the AFV handbook was only 40,2 km/h (with the vehicle weighing 50 tons or so, not bad).
同理适用于Action X炮塔—Xlucine的确有去量过它,部分零件还是量不出,部分零件很…伤心。总之这车不太适合作为10级中坦出现,我很确定这事已经没戏了。总之回到酋长上。酋长的发动机是各种Leyland L60多燃料发动机,被调节成了各种马力。如果我没记错的话,585马力是最早的一个版本,而最后的一个版本已经达到了750马力。同时还有过一些650以及700马力的版本。现在还很难说游戏中会使用哪一个,当然这还是要看具体情况来决定的。我个人认为是那个650马力的版本会被选用,但是最后还是WG说了算(Mk.4A 650马力发动机曾经用在酋长的Mk.1,2和3上)。根的说法,早期酋长的极速只有40.2km/h(鉴于这车重50多吨,其实这速度还好)

Third element of the tank is the firepower – as you can imagine, the firepower of the 120mm L11 is brutal. Firing APDS, HESH and HE rounds, its performance in the game will most likely be heavily rebalanced (as in nerfed) compared to its real life performance. Luckily, the gun has a very nice depression on the Chieftain (-10/+20).
坦克的第三个元素是火力—如你想象的一样,120mm L11炮的火力非常厉害。它可以发射APDS,HESH以及HE弹。游戏中的表现和现实生活中相比应该是会被重度平衡(也就是大砍) 过的。幸运的是,这杆炮在酋长上的俯角不错(-10°/+20°)

In case you are wondering about the 120mm gun performance, there is a memorandum from 1955, mentioning the defeat of plates of following thickness: APDS – 140mm (60 degrees, 2000 yards), HESH – 150mm (60 degrees, 2000 yards).
如果你想知道120mm在现实生活中的表现的话,这里有一份1955年的备忘录,上面写了在以下距离被打穿的钢板:APDS—140mm(60度倾斜,2000码),HESH—150mm(60度倾斜,2000码) 

In World of Tanks
在WOT中 

So, what do you get if you put the elements written above together? Well… hard to say. What I think we will get is basically a lighter and overall less armored (even though some spots are crazy thick) version of the T110 with a more powerful gun, definitely not a brawler, more like a sniper. The mobility is hard to predict, my guess (again, just guessing) is that it will be somewhat worse than the one of the T110 to compensate for the hulldown ability (lower frontal plate is the obvious weakspot). Basically a sniper. This is not bad, unless you go rushing on ahead, it could be a really nice tank.
所以把上面这些玩意拼在一起能得到什么?呃…很难说啦。我能想到是一辆总体来说更轻而且总体装甲更薄(但是某些地方还是超厚)版的T110,主炮再更加厉害一些。这车肯定不是一个肉搏车了,估计是黑枪车。机动性很难预测,我的猜想是(重复一次,这只是我的猜想)是会比T110差一些以补偿它的俯角优势(首下是绝对的弱点)。总之拿来打黑枪,其实还挺好的。除非你老是冲在前面,这辆车应该还不错。 

However, its introduction as a tier 10 vehicle means that (the few that there are) Chieftain fans have most likely to give up their fantasies of having an alternative British “Chieftain” branch (which would be problematic anyway). Naturally, that’s not such a big loss, considering that after the introduction of the Firefly branch, new British regular tanks will have very, VERY low priority in everything and it’s completely possible that the Firefly branch will be the last British regular branch to be introduced… well, ever. But the World of Tanks will still be here for years to come (as long as it is profitable), so who knows?
然而把酋长作为10级车加入游戏就意味着(那一小撮) 酋长的粉丝基本就要放弃他们能子啊游戏中看到另一条英国“酋长”重坦线了(就算有也是问题多多)。自然来说这不是什么大损失,鉴于萤火虫线的加入,新的英国车的优先级应该会非常,非常,非常,的低。而且萤火虫线完全有可能会成为英国的最后一个常规的科技线出现……哎。然而WOT还有很长的路要走(只要还能赚钱),所以谁知道呢?

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